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idanit · 12 days

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I'm digging the little genderbent Jeeves and Wooster renaissance we're having so much, and by renaissance I mean that at least four people other than me have created genderbent art or fic in the last few months. I might have missed something, of course, but I had a look at deviantart and livejournal a while ago, both of which went as far as 2009ish, and I only found two pieces of art of genderbent Bertie and one or two partial genderbend fics (i.e. female Bertie and male Jeeves). And then there were all of four F/F Jeeves/Wooster fics over on AO3, two of which were not written in English. So it's very fun that roughly half of the genderbend posts that have sprung up in all the years this fandom has had have been made in the last few months.

Also, I'm glad to have found my audience.

#idk why people used to genderbend Bertie and never Jeeves when in the show Jeeves is so good at drag #and it would make more sense for a single man to have a maid than for a single woman to have a manservant #but you do you and all that #anyway I too am very normal about genderbent J&W dear taggers. happy to be in this together with y'all #jeeves and wooster #genderbend #idanit talks

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idanit · 14 days

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dream gifset/vid: every shot with Wooster and Jeeves where at least one of them is reflected in a mirror

#jeeves and wooster #blah blah it happens for technical reasons #I don't care #I adore the way this show uses mirrors and I think it really fits the characters and the stories #and I'd love to have a complete set of all the mirror moments to ponder #but I am not typically a vid/gifset person so I will just hope that someone does it one day #idanit talks

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idanit · 15 days

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thinking about fem!Jeeves in American novelist!drag

#jeeves and wooster #genderbend #reginald jeeves #regina jeeves #jooster #bertie wooster #jeeves tells people that the new American fashion is wearing hats indoors so that she doesn't have to cut her hair #she would enjoy being a bit obnoxious even if it would pain her fashion sense #also it was not uncommon to call your maid by her first name so I think a fem!Bertie might learn Jeeves's first name much sooner #(though I'm not sure any version of Jeeves would suffer through being called Reggie out loud)#andrew in drag #let bertie misquote a piece of lyrics that has been written almost a century later than her time as a treat #enmity suspended with drawing shoes btw. now drawing hats is my worst enemy #idanit makes #idanit draws

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idanit · 21 days

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Clog my feed with the genderbent Jeeves and Wooster AU anytime.

beetle-goth has already made the comments I wanted to make to be honest, but I'm gonna add my two cents anyway because I will take any opportunity to talk about this haha.

You took the opposite view as to how hard it would be for a fem!Bertie to get out of engagements than I did in my post and it's a really interesting take to me. Especially the part about how the more she tries to paint herself as incapable, the more pressure to marry she would face — that's inspired, and it truly opens up opportunities for new kinds of plots. I love the idea of Jeeves and Bertie working to paint the men around them as brutes, idiots and beggars without a pound to their name so that they can stay together. Your Gussie comic sounds intriguing.

When thinking about the fem!AU before, I mentally kept Agatha female because I thought there was something very auntly about the active and specific interest she takes in Bertie's matrimonial prospects, but I think uncle Alistor can work well, too. I can picture him presenting countless eligible young sons of his friends and business partners to Bertha. I think a male Bertie, other than making something of himself, is expected to carry forth the family name, but a female Bertie could be seen by her uncle primarily as a tool to make a connection to another respectable wealthy family.

And a hearty YES to Jeeves's internalised classism and misogyny. Make her struggle with her unprofessional and queer attraction to a member of the upper class. I wrote a little snippet from fem!Jeeves's POV a while ago where she considered her attraction to Bertie a masculine trait of herself, following the ways that queerness was often conceptualised at the time, and I think this could feed into her internalised sexism (of the "there are certain ways in which a woman should not behave" variety) as well, although there is a lot of complexity here.

Also, that little thought about Jeeves's internal fashion sense clashing with the necessity of wearing a maid's uniform is something I haven't considered before. Valeting togs, while clearly recognisable on the street, didn't include elements like an apron, and while aprons were supposed to be kept as pristinely clean as possible, they're such a clear visual cue that the person who wears them works with her hands. Or at least it is my impression that there was a much wider chasm between the way maids and their mistresses dressed than there was between the suits of gentlemen and their manservants. Fem!Jeeves could channel her love for beautiful dresses into making Bertie wear them, and then despair whenever Bertie chose modern styles (more risqué and less reminiscent of what the well-dressed gentlewoman is wearing — the aforementioned misogynist and classist double-whammy!) over the ones Jeeves loved.

reqs from @idanit and @beetle-goth (sorry for tags I'll untag if asked ^^;)

long rambly post ahead! Unlike what I normally post but its my account so I can do what I want lol

(This probably isn't the most historical thing I’ve ever written but! I will fix as I work on it more lol)

the implications of Bertie's bachelorhood if he were a bachelorette fascinate me endlessly

I read this post and it gave me brain worms and I've been designing an au around it ever since

In this au it's a complete genderswap with all characters, uncle Alistair (aunt Agatha) becomes more old fashioned sexist to Bertie, not thinking she can take care of herself. (sorry Agatha stans)

Which like. She can't. But it's nothing to do with her being a woman.

Bertie keeps her core character traits, but by merely being a woman living alone in 1920s London, she inherently becomes more independent and rebellious.

She's sneakier about her escapades, still stealing hats off bobby's and the like, but tries to be subtle about it. Emphasis on tries, she's still a Wooster at her core, and thus a very

big klutz.

Bertie is just completely and unapologetically her/himself regardless of gender, for better or for worse.

If humble pie is being served, she will surely go back for seconds every time.

I can picture her leaning very hard into the roaring twenties flapper persona, but still being a homebody at heart. Big of heart, dumb of ass.

The biggest issue of course is the engagements, it’s a lot harder for a woman (particularly one whose family wants her to get married) to get out of engagements. THIS is where the fun new plots come in

Obviously there’s the classic setting up her fiances with other women, so they call it off and marry their true loves. And the occasional making herself seem unsuitable to be married. (though, this would usually backfire, that would make it seem like she needed to be married more, so she had a man to take care of her and make her settle down)

Instead of focusing on making it seem she herself is un-weddable, she (and by she I mean Jeeves) concocts byzantine schemes to paint her potential suitors in the worst light possible, or to make them seem negligible so one family or the other would call it off.

I’ve been working on one such story, I haven't ironed out all the details but it ends with Gussie pushing Bertie into a lake. Of course. (I may make a comic abt it when done)

Jeeves’ character is fascinating too, I see her being the classic “quiet competent woman who gets shit done”. She would be less respected than m!jeeves, but still far more respected than the average maidservant of her time.

I can see her need for fashion clashing with the maidservant outfits of the time, part of me is tempted to keep her design the exact same and make her a big beautiful butch, but…I know that's probably not how it would go.

Jeeves would wear the classic Maidservant outfit of the time, though I can see her styling it subtly to suit her more.

Her control over Bertie’s wardrobe, while still being “God this bitch has no fashion”, also has an undercurrent of internalized sexism. She’s discomforted by the more risque (by those times) outfits Bertie enjoys wearing, like her flashy flapper dresses and the like.

Of course, she’s also uncomfortable by how attractive she finds her in said risque clothes. (drama!!)

And they end up compromising !!! and Jeeves has a lil arc in learning to accept the new fashion wave and embracing bodies and whatnot.

Their dynamic would essentially be the same, homoeroticism, Jeeves being morosexual, Bertie being endlessly impressed by her.

also because of the ridiculous british nicknames most the characters are referred to the same, they just have diff first names, here's a quick cheat sheet

(I tried to keep them similar and also extremely english)

Reginald Jeeves = Regina Jeeves

Bertam "Bertie" Wooster = Bertha "Bertie" Wooster

Reginald Jeeves = Regina Jeeves

Aunt Agatha/Dahlia = uncle Alistor/Dahl

Augustus "Gussie" Fink-Nottle = August "Gussie" Fink-Nottle

Charles "Biffy" Biffen = Charlotte "Biffy" Biffen

Marmaduke "Chuffy" Chuffnell = Marigold "Chuffy" Chuffnell

Stephanie "Stiffy" Byng = Stewart "Stiffy" Byng (the implications of a man being named Stiffy are. different but Wodehouse had to know what he was doing with that name)

Richard "Bingo" little = Richenda "Bingo" Little

and so on and so forth!

Anyway uh, this went on for a while lol

I’m working on designs for them and will gladly share if asked! But they’re nowhere near done dhjdsh thanks for coming to my ted talk.

I don't know if any of this made sense, sorry if it doesn’t.

also for a bonus here's a quick messy collage I made of f!Bertie

#idanit chats #genderbend #jeeves #jeeves and wooster #i say words recreationally

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idanit · 22 days

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a day off at some country estate or other

#jeeves and wooster #jeeves #reginald jeeves #regina jeeves #genderbend #I kind of accidentally developed a headcanon that fem!Jeeves enjoys being more masc whenever she's fishing #or on her annual leave #since she has to be feminine day in day out working as a maid #and she likes feminine alright. but she likes to balance it out sometimes.#I feel so lazy using gradients instead of actually colouring/shading/painting but I do a lot of lineart these days #and it's hard to switch to thinking like a painter #if you thought i was done with my genderbends think again. 2 more black and white fanarts incoming. at some point.#to the two people who tagged me in genderbend-related posts I can't wait to read them I just needed to finish some art #idanit draws #idanit makes

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idanit · 28 days

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losing my mind a little over Wodehouse's impeccable sense of rhythm. can I eat this prose

#jeeves #letters regarding jeeves #jeeves and the chump cyril #pg wodehouse #idanit talks #the rhythm within the sentence. yes.#also the rhythm within the paragraph.#but the hold he has over the narrative rhythm of entire scenes has me as they say chewing on something hard and unchewable

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idanit · 28 days

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AU where the Grace kids are Black but they're still their canon ages and involved in the canon plot

#the spiderwick chronicles #spiderwick chronicles #spiderwick #spiderwick tv show #spiderwick 2024 #mallory grace #what have they done to my boy #I couldn't watch the new tv show #i can't stand this mulgarat and his new sidekick sorry to be a hater #(I have not seen the movie. The books are just a childhood favourite)#the spiderwick people know this but this is a redraw of an illustration by tony diterlizzi #i have sketches of jared and simon but will probably not finish them #a brief interlude from jeevesposting #idanit draws #idanit makes

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idanit · 1 month

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Bertie doesn't realise there's anything weird going on. Jeeves conducts an investigation and deals with Dracula off-screen. Bertie lets him destroy a cape he started to wear to give himself a mysterious air.

I saw a poll going around that said something to the effect of “What other fictional universe should we send Jonathan Harker to?” Well, I want the opposite of that. I want Jeeves and Wooster to deal with Dracula.

#idanit chats #dracula #jeeves #i've never finished reading dracula. i'm sure there could be more shenanigans with other characters in the middle #dracula's brides should feature prominently

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idanit · 1 month

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solidarity

#letters regarding jeeves #my pal bertie #dracula daily #jeeves #Tom Gauld #made this for myself because i started getting a bit green eyed over how big the dracula bookclub is #even though i totally understand that the appeal of dracula is naturally much broader #than the appeal of some episodic-ish comedic stories about a rich british aristocrat who talks weird and his hypercompetent servant #and anyway it's very cozy here in the jeeves corner I have to say #it's surprisingly nice to be involved in a fandom active enough to be engaging #but slow enough to be able to keep up with practically everything that's going on #idanit talks #?#i don't have a tag for memes lol

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I haven't read "Thank You, Jeeves" yet so I should probably shut up, but "Sir Roderick Comes To Lunch" calls into question whether Jeeves truly has, or has ever had, a rule about not working for married gentlemen, like he says in "Thank You". It seems that in RODE, he acted when he learned that Honoria intended to fire him after she got married to Bertie. But if he had a rule about not working for married men, it wouldn't matter what Honoria thought of him, because he'd be out of the household anyway. It's almost like the actual rule Jeeves has is "I will do whatever it takes to keep Bertie for myself, and happy" (which means getting Bertie out of an engagement with a woman who makes him listen to her reading Ruskin and dislikes Jeeves, and also getting reunited with Bertie after Jeeves' brief stint with Chuffy).

#letters regarding jeeves #jeeves #sir roderick comes to lunch #thank you jeeves #it's good to be caught up with LRJ again for the first time since March #I loved that one moment of “omg! the scheme goes deeper! it was Spenser with the six ruined potatoes all along!” btw #so many fics take the unmarried gentlemen rule at face value and it's their right but i don't know that i believe in it at the moment #idanit talks

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I like the implication that Claude and Eustace's shenaniganery is such a powerful force that it will figuratively drag Bertie back to school and make him save their skin once more. It does not matter that he has graduated, is living in another city, and has adult engagement-related meetings on his agenda. It doesn't even matter that Claude and Eustace, as undergraduates, aren't allowed to leave Oxford. Bertie WILL find himself fishing them out of the soup again because of some silly thieves' club business.

#letters regarding jeeves #jeeves #see madame eulalie for the oxford thing #presumably Bertie has to shoulder the blame for their tomfoolery again too. it's only implied that that's what happened at school #but Agatha clearly thinks well of Claude and Eustace and not of Bertie so yeah #idanit talks #sir roderick comes to lunch #RODE

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bertie does tumblr boops

#I know it's out of season but I just found an amazing Madame Eulalie annotation #thank you discord user whom I will keep anonymous #it's not about a Jeeves story though #it's about Ukridge and the Home from Home #jeeves

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#maybee bertie is the one that forget some details (@eirinstiva) I'm more ready to accept that than I am to accept Jeeves not remembering things, that's for sure.

I don't think I've seen people talk about this, but it bothers me.

In "Leave It to Jeeves", Jeeves talks of his former employer:

“I wonder if I have ever happened to mention to you, sir, a Mr. Digby Thistleton, with whom I was once in service? Perhaps you have met him? He was a financier. He is now Lord Bridgnorth. It was a favourite saying of his that there is always a way. The first time I heard him use the expression was after the failure of a patent depilatory which he promoted. (...) His depilatory failed, but he did not despair. He put it on the market again under the name of Hair-o, guaranteed to produce a full crop of hair in a few months. It was advertised, if you remember, sir, by a humorous picture of a billiard-ball, before and after taking, and made such a substantial fortune that Mr. Thistleton was soon afterwards elevated to the peerage for services to his Party. It seems to me that, if Mr. Corcoran looks into the matter, he will find, like Mr. Thistleton, that there is always a way.

In "Jeeves and the Hard-Boiled Egg," he likewise mentions him:

“It was a maxim of one of my former employers, sir⁠—as I believe I mentioned to you once before⁠—the present Lord Bridgnorth, that there is always a way. I remember his lordship using the expression on the occasion⁠—he was then a business gentleman and had not yet received his title⁠—when a patent hair-restorer which he chanced to be promoting failed to attract the public. He put it on the market under another name as a depilatory, and amassed a substantial fortune. I have generally found his lordship’s aphorism based on sound foundations.

Doylistically, I think this is Wodehouse reusing his bits and tripping up, or maybe making a little in-joke for the readers who know and remember his previous stories. But watsonianly, what is happening here? Lord Bridgnorth couldn't possibly have made a depilatory that failed, rebranded it as Hair-O, amassed a fortune and a title, then made a hair restorer despite already having a successful hair restorer product, and after its failure rebranded it as a depilatory, right?

Is Jeeves misremembering? Inventing his anecdotes? Lying? And for what?

#I guess I need to read more of these to see how often things don't quite make sense #but it's hard because I wouldn't have noticed if I haven't read LEAV and HARD in quick succession #the timeline of these stories will never make perfect sense i don't think #so I'm not even going down the road of “how much time might have passed between the events and bertie writing about them”#but the internal logic of the stories does interest me somewhat #idanit chats #jeeves and wooster #jeeves

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I don't think I've seen people talk about this, but it bothers me.

In "Leave It to Jeeves", Jeeves talks of his former employer:

“I wonder if I have ever happened to mention to you, sir, a Mr. Digby Thistleton, with whom I was once in service? Perhaps you have met him? He was a financier. He is now Lord Bridgnorth. It was a favourite saying of his that there is always a way. The first time I heard him use the expression was after the failure of a patent depilatory which he promoted. (...) His depilatory failed, but he did not despair. He put it on the market again under the name of Hair-o, guaranteed to produce a full crop of hair in a few months. It was advertised, if you remember, sir, by a humorous picture of a billiard-ball, before and after taking, and made such a substantial fortune that Mr. Thistleton was soon afterwards elevated to the peerage for services to his Party. It seems to me that, if Mr. Corcoran looks into the matter, he will find, like Mr. Thistleton, that there is always a way.

In "Jeeves and the Hard-Boiled Egg," he likewise mentions him:

“It was a maxim of one of my former employers, sir⁠—as I believe I mentioned to you once before⁠—the present Lord Bridgnorth, that there is always a way. I remember his lordship using the expression on the occasion⁠—he was then a business gentleman and had not yet received his title⁠—when a patent hair-restorer which he chanced to be promoting failed to attract the public. He put it on the market under another name as a depilatory, and amassed a substantial fortune. I have generally found his lordship’s aphorism based on sound foundations.

Doylistically, I think this is Wodehouse reusing his bits and tripping up, or maybe making a little in-joke for the readers who know and remember his previous stories. But watsonianly, what is happening here? Lord Bridgnorth couldn't possibly have made a depilatory that failed, rebranded it as Hair-O, amassed a fortune and a title, then made a hair restorer despite already having a successful hair restorer product, and after its failure rebranded it as a depilatory, right?

Is Jeeves misremembering? Inventing his anecdotes? Lying? And for what?

#letters regarding jeeves #I fell behind on the mailing list but I'm catching up #jeeves #jeeves and wooster #leave it to jeeves #jeeves and the hard-boiled egg #am i not understanding something here.#idanit talks #jeeves the unreliable narrator of his life tinfoil hat

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idanit · 1 month

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and "so true, Bertie"

Modern day Jeeves and Wooster au where instead of saying ‘indeed’ Jeeves just says ‘for real for real, sir’

#jeeves and wooster #jeeves #idanit chats

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idanit · 1 month

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get peer reviewed (tags by @yeah-thats-probably-it)

Just like with some of my own plot suggestions, we would need a reason for Bertie to assume/realise Jeeves will go and be queer at the ball because most people there were still straight, but yes, this is great and I need to read it.

Dear Jeeves and Wooster fandom, lovely fic writers, my betters in bertieprose. Why are we sleeping on Lady Malcolm’s Servants Ball, held annually in London from 1923 to 1938 specifically for people in domestic service, with a reputation of drawing in queer and gender-nonconforming working-class crowd? A servants' ball where people were, for a time, "allowed" to crossdress and dance with same-sex partners? (Before it drew too much attention and got banned.)

Where are my fics about:

Jeeves moving his day off around so he can attend the ball, crossdress, and/or dance with other men?

Bertie finding out about the ball and asking questions?

Bertie sneaking into the ball pretending to be a servant and crossdressing in order to dance with other men? Perhaps he has been doing this for a few years until the year he hires Jeeves, and that year they accidentally meet at the ball. Perhaps they're both in drag, or only one of them is in drag. Perhaps only one recognises the other, or both of them do (I believe this was a costume, though not necessarily a masked ball). Perhaps Jeeves has to explain that if he has questions, they're not precisely objections, and he only worries that Bertie might be recognised and blackmailed — or perhaps Bertie has to explain that Jeeves is not in any danger of losing his job and Bertie doesn't mind him crossdressing at all. And they dance.

Bertie ordering a fancy bespoke dress for Jeeves so that he can go to the ball? ("Wealthy households would fund their workers to go, with some even loaning them evening dresses." [link 2 - though it probably means dresses for maids]) Bertie getting some jewellery for Jeeves and watching him apply make-up?

Bertie finding out that this is the best ball for servants around and telling Jeeves that he should totally go because he always has to attend the fancy parties as a butler or Bertie's valet, not there to have fun, and Jeeves agreeing because he's very insistent? Perhaps Jeeves is very secretive about the costume he's preparing even though Bertie's dying of curiosity. Perhaps once Jeeves leaves, Bertie starts having all these Very Strange Feelings, and after suffering in the flat for a few hours, he ends up going as well. And then he either can't find Jeeves until Jeeves chooses to reveal himself to him, or he finds Jeeves and almost perishes on the spot. And then, of course, they dance.

or whatever silly plot come on this is so juicy

ADDED: I wrote all this and then I discovered a great Jeeves fic that does make use of the ball, except it's not Jeeves/Wooster, but Wooster/Haddock (which is how it initially escaped my notice). If you don't mind that, go read it and enjoy the queer dancing, the crossdressing, and a delightful version of Jeeves: We Want Haddock.

#idanit chats #jeeves and wooster #would love to see people write more prompts <3 #(and fics of course)

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Dear Jeeves and Wooster fandom, lovely fic writers, my betters in bertieprose. Why are we sleeping on Lady Malcolm’s Servants Ball, held annually in London from 1923 to 1938 specifically for people in domestic service, with a reputation of drawing in queer and gender-nonconforming working-class crowd? A servants' ball where people were, for a time, "allowed" to crossdress and dance with same-sex partners? (Before it drew too much attention and got banned.)

Where are my fics about:

Jeeves moving his day off around so he can attend the ball, crossdress, and/or dance with other men?

Bertie finding out about the ball and asking questions?

Bertie sneaking into the ball pretending to be a servant and crossdressing in order to dance with other men? Perhaps he has been doing this for a few years until the year he hires Jeeves, and that year they accidentally meet at the ball. Perhaps they're both in drag, or only one of them is in drag. Perhaps only one recognises the other, or both of them do (I believe this was a costume, though not necessarily a masked ball). Perhaps Jeeves has to explain that if he has questions, they're not precisely objections, and he only worries that Bertie might be recognised and blackmailed — or perhaps Bertie has to explain that Jeeves is not in any danger of losing his job and Bertie doesn't mind him crossdressing at all. And they dance.

Bertie ordering a fancy bespoke dress for Jeeves so that he can go to the ball? ("Wealthy households would fund their workers to go, with some even loaning them evening dresses." [link 2 - though it probably means dresses for maids]) Bertie getting some jewellery for Jeeves and watching him apply make-up?

Bertie finding out that this is the best ball for servants around and telling Jeeves that he should totally go because he always has to attend the fancy parties as a butler or Bertie's valet, not there to have fun, and Jeeves agreeing because he's very insistent? Perhaps Jeeves is very secretive about the costume he's preparing even though Bertie's dying of curiosity. Perhaps once Jeeves leaves, Bertie starts having all these Very Strange Feelings, and after suffering in the flat for a few hours, he ends up going as well. And then he either can't find Jeeves until Jeeves chooses to reveal himself to him, or he finds Jeeves and almost perishes on the spot. And then, of course, they dance.

or whatever silly plot come on this is so juicy

ADDED: I wrote all this and then I discovered a great Jeeves fic that does make use of the ball, except it's not Jeeves/Wooster, but Wooster/Haddock (which is how it initially escaped my notice). If you don't mind that, go read it and enjoy the queer dancing, the crossdressing, and a delightful version of Jeeves: We Want Haddock.

#jeeves and wooster #jeeves #jooster #crossdressing #queer history #Lady Malcolm’s Servants Ball #this is sooooo self-indulgent #dancefics and gender-playful fics are my weakness #pulling this from discord in the hope that someone steals this from me #another ball where crossdressing and homosexuality were happening was Chelsea Arts Ball #but it was for a more artsy crowd I believe #idanit talks #fic rec

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