My favourite bit of BG3 lore is that Withers is legitimately responsible for the Dead Three, but he's probably too embarrassed to tell you, so every time you ask him to elaborate he just gives you a very stern, "Noooo."
I also love that the reason he's responsible for their uprising is because he got bored. He literally got bored of his position as Lord of the Dead and wanted to retire, so when these three morally questionable humans came looking for godhood he was like, "Hmmm. Yes, okay. Here. Take my portfolios. Fight over them. I don't care. I quit."
So after bowling with skulls in a friendly competition to decide who would get what portfolio, they took up his powers and wreaked havoc on the world. Only at that moment did Jergal, AKA Withers, AKA our precious Bone Daddy think, "I'm just now, internally, asking myself, in quite a worried way, whether I might've made an error."
So he joins your merry band and watches your escapades, calmly twiddling his fingers while you clean up his mess. He's happy to lend his aid, even to the point that he'll bring Durge back to life if they reject Bhaal, even though he technically shouldn't. But he's Withers. The rules don't apply to him. If Ao doesn't like it, he can descend from the Heavens and say it to his rotting face.
And the reason he saves Durge isn't necessarily because he likes them or because he's a morally good entity (though one certainly could make that argument), but because he wants to add insult to injury. He steals Bhaal's child with a big smile on his face, dubs them his Chosen, and praises them for rejecting all the power they were promised. But of course, he still doesn't tell them who he is—or rather who he was.
Then, when all is said and done, he throws Tav and their companions a cute little party. No one knows it's probably half a thank you party and half a "Withers is bored again" party. And if anyone misbehaves, he'll get irritated and whisk them away. Because how dare they? He put a lot of work into that.
And at the end of it all, he walks up to a mural of the Dead Three and basically goes, "Lmao. Thou didst fuck around, and thou didst find out." Just savagely roasting them.
And then poof!
He waves them into non-existence.
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*pre act 1, somewhere in the outerplanes or whatever*
gods: what the hells are the dead 3 doing now?? what is that?? a netherbrain?? ugh right then, what are we gonna do about it
shar: i have a plan SO EVIL AND PERFECT and a chosen locked and loaded she's already on her way to retrieve that stupid githyanki prince and then im going to fucking destroy that asshole ketheric
mystra: bitch please the only one around here with a shiny red fix it button is me. when i tell you my former chosen is obsessed with me. no way will he deny me, all i gotta do is ask and he'll detonate the problem in one go. ace in the hole.
Jergal [a big fan of the avengers]: i have a plan to bring together a group of of remarkable people to see if they could become something more. To see if they could work together when we need them to, to fight the battles that we never could.
gods: ugh shut the hell up jergal this is basically your fault
Jergal: im stealing all your feral chosen and you can't stop me
silvanus: would you like a bear in this trying time?
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without a doubt favourite part of bg3 is withers’ temple where every single book goes “you’re travelling with a vampire and a sharran and withers is jergal and also 50/50 you’re a bhaalspawn”
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I think about him a lot
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Jergal, the scribe of the dead, the archivist—this three fates motherfucker who refuses to elaborate on personal questions but waxes philosophical about your adventure, protects you, ensures your success, brings you back into the fray, puts you back on your feet, helps you mold yourself into whatever you want to be, this strange reverse-psychopomp—is the only god who did not reject Astarion.
Astarion, a finicky undead who went to law school once upon a time who is never seen at camp without a book in his hands. Astarion who passes more perception and insight checks than anyone else in my games. Astarion with his mediocre Charisma stat but higher than average Intelligence stat. Astarion who ONE HUNDRED PERCENT probably put together who Old Man Withers was but just shrugged like "I got other shit going on and I'm not about to kick a skeleton out of the closet."
I want Old Man Withers as Astarion's Grampa Figure. Astarion CALLING Withers an elvish equivalent of "Gramps". (U'osi/U'osu?? That's so cute wtf)
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stolen from the Baldur's Gate Weaveposting group on Facebook
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«Looking after children is easy»
Post-credits scene in a nutshell >w<
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No one knows why
But Wylltherstarion with ducks.
Wyllstarion discord server is something.
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gale & withers: epilogue
i stumbled across this while taking another look at the epilogue files:
it's withers talking to an origin gale, who made the ultimate sacrifice in the final battle against the netherbrain to save not only faerun, but his friends:
Withers: Who flickers there 'twixt the shadows? Gale, who didst surrender his very self for the salvation of Faerûn.
Withers: I feared I might not find thee here - that Mystra would have already plucked thy thread from the tapestry of fate. But she may wait a while yet.
Withers: Tell me, Gale, how doth thee weigh thy sacrifice, now it hath been made?
origin gale can pick from a variety of responses:
option 1:
Gale: I've no regrets. I'd do it again if I had to.
Withers: The Weave floweth not in this place of shadows, Gale of Waterdeep, but thine heart singeth in its place.
the weave floweth not in this place of shadows, gale of waterdeep, but thine heart singeth in its place.
gale has a genuinely good heart. it reminds me of this piece of lore again:
as well as tara saying this:
Tara the Tressym: If that's all, then what comes after is for you to decide, Mr Dekarios. Think well on all that's happened, and stay true to that heart of yours. It's a good one.
option 2:
Gale: I feel... unburdened. I've redeemed myself at last.
Withers: Redemption need not require such sacrifice, but there can be no doubt thy penitence is complete. Thou art absolved at last.
'redemption need not require such sacrifice' is such a good quote here and i like it a lot. tragic that larian's own lead writers didn't get that memo.
option 3:
Gale: I didn't want to die, but I couldn't see any other way...
Withers: Circumstance did not ordain thy fate, but thine own strength. Thou wert ready for such a sacrifice, and thou art ready still.
hm. not loving this one. i suppose it's the game reinforcing the player's choice.
option 4
Gale: One wizard for the whole of Faerûn seems like a fair trade to me.
Withers: It is time thou learnest to value thyself truly. Thy sacrifice weighs greatly on those thou left behind, as it doth in this place.
IT IS TIME THOU LEARNEST TO VALUE THYSELF TRULY
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Shot 1: The plaque of Withers' tomb: "Here lies the Guardian of Tombs." Through knowledge comes atonement." Guardian of Tombs is one of Jergal's many titles.
Shot 2: [Cleric of Kelemvor]: "You feel familiar. Do I know you?"
Shots 3 & 4: Withers says, "Yes, but I imagine it is not the way thee believe. Thou walk with death, child of Kelemvor. That is enough for an understanding between us."
Once he joins the camp, you get a standard cleric option (you get this too as a paladin) that requires a dice roll of 20:
[Cleric] [Wisdom] Focus on the divine energy you feel from his presence.
If you succeed, the result:
Narrator: "He has a divine aspect, yes. A reflection of death itself. Eternal and inescapable."
[Cleric of Kelemvor] "You walk with death. Are you a Chosen of Kelemvor?"
Withers replies, "No, although Kelemvor chose well to bless one such as yourself," then refuses to answer any more questions on the subject.
Additionally, from what I hear, if you play the Dark Urge and refuse Bhaal's blessing -thus having the Lord of Murder end your whole existence- Withers SHOWS UP TO RESURRECT YOU. That on top of the mad shit he's heard a couple times talking about the Dead Three?
WITHERS WE KNOW YOU'RE JERGAL JUST ADMIT IT BRO.
If you ask why he's helping you, he says it's not by choice which makes me think back to his plaque, "Through knowledge comes atonement." I really need more lore!
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More from the "Karlach's dead" epilogue. If Tav is in their feelings about Karlach dying, you can tell Withers (if Karlach was not romanced) that Karlach was like a sister to you - at which point Bone Man corrects you - that to Karlach you were her sibling and that very fact was written in her heart. He delivers that line right before the one about her soul shining so bright it pains the gods. brb crying.
anyway yeah I will absolutely consider "Tav and Wyll go to Avernus to help Karlach" to be my ending.
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I am a bit too late with this meme
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I was shot the statue, but at that moment the Withers decided that he should stand in front of his statue. (I didn't know about his movements, because this was the first time I found him.)
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Is this anything?
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Tav: *Gets a partner*
Withers: That's cute. Just remember you're both gonna die someday.
Tav: What the fuck?!
🤣
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