#however tim Drake fans in general? | Explore Tumblr Posts and Blogs

cassandracain52 · 9 days

Text

A canon compliant guide of Bruce Wayne’s officially adopted children

I noticed there has been some confusion about who all in the BatFam is actually legally adopted by Bruce Wayne so I thought I’d try and help clear some things up.

(Full disclosure you can of course headcanon whatever you like, I made this is strictly to help newer fans know what is actually canon💕)

Dick Grayson: Adopted

(Batman: Gotham Knights #17 and Batman #600)

Many fans argue over whether or not Dick is officially adopted, many saying it was never official and he is still just his ward.

Though he does admittedly usually spend the majority of his actual childhood as a ward, Bruce ends up officially adopting Dick as his son(as I have explained before here)in multiple timelines

Barbara Gordon: Not Adopted

(Batgirl and the Birds Of Prey Rebirth)

There was never a need for Barbara to be adopted because she still has a Dad. She is however still very much in the BatFamily and has trained under and with Bruce

Jason Todd: Adopted

(The New Titans (1988) #55 and Batman: A Lonely Place of Dying)

Now I couldn’t track down a comic where we actually get to see Bruce adopt Jason, but there are plenty of instances in which his adoption is referenced -including but not limited to these two- throughout several timelines and reboots

Cassandra Cain: Adopted

(Batgirl 2008 #6)

Now this one is a bit more debatable as aside from this one instance, Cass’ adoption is never really mentioned again even after the timeline gets rebooted. Still the general consensus is that Cassandra’s adoption is considered canon.

Tim Drake: Adopted

(Batman #654 and Red Robin #4)

Though Tim declines Bruce’s offer of being adopted at first, we get to see Bruce adopt Tim as his son about a year or so later. His adoption is also referenced across multiple reboots

Stephanie Brown: Not Adopted

(Batgirls #13, Robin (1993) #174, and Robin (1993) #126)

Now the main reason Stephanie is not and probably will not be adopted is because both her parents are alive. While her Dad is a villain and out of the picture, her mother is a nurse and fully capable of taking care of her.

Bruce does however train her during her brief stint as Robin and much like Barbara she is no less apart of the BatFamily, she’s just not in the Wayne Family

Duke Thomas: Not Adopted (technically)

(All Star Batman #1 and Batman & the Signal #3)

Now Duke is never officially adopted because technically his parents are alive just insane due to Joker’s toxin of which there is no cure. However Bruce does take him in and let him stay at the manor and it is heavily implied he becomes Duke’s foster parent so do with that what you will

Damian Wayne: Not Adopted/Biological child

(Batman and Robin (2011) #0)

Damian is Bruce’s one and only biological child -of the main canon- and therefore does not need to be adopted because you don’t need to adopt your own child

And that’s all of Bruce’s official and unofficial children in the main canon!💕🖤

#Don’t even get me started on the whole Meta verse “everything is canon” nonsense because I straight up don’t even know #I’m pretty sure everyone can pick and choose canon at this point and not be entirely wrong #So don’t let this stop you from head canon-ing your heart away #Babs and Steph not being adopted is a good thing because that would make them brother kissers #don’t take this too seriously #I didn’t have time to go track down more sources so hopefully this is sufficient #batfam #dc comics #bruce wayne #A guide for Bruce Wayne’s children #hope this helps #Honestly I don’t care much either way if people make Duke Bruce’s official son #Pop off #let people enjoy things #canon is a suggestion #I left Damian out once cause I was just doing adopted kids and someone told me I “forgot him”#So he’s here this time #But like I hope everyone knows Damian is not adopted #Ignore my aggressive italicizing #I do it a lot

144 notes · View notes

annah-kitathryne · 2 months

Text

It has come to my attention that some are not aware of the double bat teen titans elseworlds run. [Post Here] made by @saturnsickle

So I'm here to explain a bit to everyone.

When was the series?

From September 1st 2001 to March 1st 2005, an elseworlds Teen Titans run started.

The series was 43 issues plus a 2004 annual.

Line-Up

Yara Flor (Wondergirl)

Jackson Hyde (Aqualad)

Cassandra Cain (Batgirl)

Jason Todd (Robin)

Roy Harper (Arsenal)

It was a bit out of nowhere, seeing as the lineup featured two brand new characters, a newly established character, a then considered dead character, and a former teen titan turned titan.

Retrospect

In retrospect, this series can be seen as a world building series as well as a device to introduce more heroes within a similar age group and adding more younger heroes into the mix, bridging the gap between the titans of Dick Grayson and Donna Troy and the younger generation of young justice soon teen titans Tim Drake and Cassie Sandsmark.

This series also reintroduced Jason Todd to a reader base that had known him as dead at this point. Adding new characterization that would be later used in the Batman: Hush storyline and lead into the Batman: Under the Red Hood series.

Interestingly, we see that this series of Teen Titans ended the same month that Red Hood's identity was revealed to Batman in Batman #683.

That is no coincidence. Fans have long since known that the series ended when Jason Todd was introduced back into the main line story.

However, while well planned, this left the elseworld's Teen Titans run to end abruptly and feel incomplete in some places.

Features

Some features of this series were a phenomenal number one cover that would later inspire the cover art for World's Finest: Teen Titans #1, an interesting dynamic between Batgirl and Robin that wouldn't show in mainline stories until New 52, and Roy in another mentorship role that we had been starting to see become more prominent at the time.

The introductory arc in the story (issues 1 through 4), where we were introduced to the characters in their separate contexts and got to see them come together in a way that explained how they got to that point, instead of just showing us them together as a team. It was also interesting to see Joker used as an introductory villain instead of someone else. It really set up the idea of a larger world outside of Joker and the scale of threats that would continue to increase throughout the series.

One of my favorite subplot that continued throughout the series was the character and moral conflict between the two bat characters (Cass and Jason) and their views on Justice, superheroing, and the right way to go about it. Although Jason's characterization is not exactly the same as his pre-death in the family personality, it provided a good sense of transition that got us from PreDitF to the UtRH personality. Cass and Jason often found themselves at odds with each other throughout the series. Cass, who believed in redemption and was stark and steady in her belief that no one should die, contrasted Jason's harsher view on crime and how to handle it.

It was also nice to see Cass on a team of people similar to her age. Although we got to see her work on the Justice League: Elite team, the elseworld's teen titans run got to show her in a more light-hearted run where she got to learn to be herself. Mirroring her then running solo series, we got to see Cass start to form a life and connections outside of the suit, and meet people who tested her belief in the symbol, this time with her peers.

Her growing friendship with Yara was really fun to read even at its worst writing. I especially enjoyed issue 25 and 26, where the two of them teamed up with the elseworld's version of Starfire and Donna Troy in a timeless issue of powerful female heroes.

Some of the negative from the run was the forced upon romantic subplot from 27 to 36, where it took up too much space on the panels and caused unnecessary character drama in a style that hadn't been seen in the run up to that point.

By the time of issue 40, there were three issues to wrap up the plot of the story before the run would come to a close. The story structure was there, but it was rushed and needed a couple more issues to really dive into the plot. The team disbands after Jason Todd/Robin murders one of the lesser villians they were fighting and caused the team to split ways to deal with the events of the arc. It culottes perfectly into the reveal later that month in the main books.

There was a top heavy focus on the two bat characters, which left less room for the other's. That didn't mean that the others didn't have central arcs throughout the run. It is just meant by the proxy of having two bat characters. Their drama was brought up the most.

Arcs

Issues 1 through 4 Jason focused introductory

Issues 5 through 8 was a Yara focused arc

9 through 12 was a Roy centric arc

16 through 19 was a Cass centric arc

20 through 22 was a Jason centric arc

23 and 24 was a Jackson centric arc

25 and 26 was Cass and Yara

30 through 34 was another Roy centric arc

The annual plus 36 was a Jackson arc

37 and 38 was another Yara centric arc

40 through 43 was extremely focused in Jason with Cass as a close second.

Conclusions

It was a really interesting story to read, and it was fun to see what having Batgirl on a team does to the dynamics of a normally Robin only sort of line-uo. It's interesting that Jackson was the first of the two original characters to make the jump to mainline comics (2010) and Yara was later in 2021, having been the last of the team brought into the main timeline. It would be nice to see them come back together for a special crossover again, fill the niche group of fans that follow the limited fan material on this series.

#dc #dc comics #teen titans #teen titans dc #elseworld's teen titans #yara flor #jackson hyde #roy harper #jason todd #cassandra cain #honestly thank you for giving me an opening to talk about the series ever #i never get the chance to #unrelated but the fact that Yara disappeared from comics for so long was such a disrespect #her and Cass did not spend those issues becoming friends just for them to erase it and not even try to bring it over in any way #unreality

40 notes · View notes

mintacle · 1 year

Note

Also regarding fanon Tim it is really pity that a lot of fans and even writers regard Tim as a mini-Bruce when i feel he should be opposite especially when it comes to their social circle. Like Tim is fascinating to me because he looked at the dark and gloom and isolation of both Gotham and Bruce and went, "It deserves to be saved. I will save it and i'll do it without it destroying me" (he failed but he tried, god did he try).

If Bruce Wayne is a mask for Batman then Robin is a mask for Tim Drake.

If Bruce is actively isolating himself then Tim is actively seeking people out (even if it sometimes means slight stalking and casual breaking and entering, which, Tim, buddy).

When his parents died Bruce buried the child he was and dedicated his life to make sure something like this would never happen to anyone else and when Jason he almost went and broke his one rule. When everyone in Tim's life was dead or dying he tried to held onto every little thing that could bring that normalcy back from before everything went to shit, whether it be cloning, trying to find Bruce, or even lazarus pit.

It is why Tim becoming batman always ends horribly, not because Tim is secretly a deranged guy but because becoming batman means affectively killing what makes him Tim Drake. It is also why i think the best ending for him would be retirement, the boy who chose to take up the robin mantle grows up to be the man who chose to give up the mantle (naturally this would take a lot of development since i feel Tim is rather addicted to it but also i think it would be good. I also feel he would still do hero work on side but as a consultant or support)

(I alse feel isolation is a major struggle for both of them. However Bruce embraces it, becomes a part of it, while Tim rejects it, loses to it. A Lonely Place of Dying indeed)

(i am so sorry i feel like i have more generalized both the characters and could be wrong about them since i am still newer to the comics but these are my thoughts from what i have seen so far)

Nah, anon, you're valid. I'm not crazy into Tim and haven't read anything with him yet (though @benbamboozled has convinced me to read Young Justice 98), from what I know of the canon version of Tim, he is very critical of Batman, which you kind of have to be if your goal is to help them (as opposed to enabling someone)

Here we have Tim on Bruce's approach to paranoia and work colleagues:

which will for me always be core part of Tim's characterization. He's very far from the boy who will blindly follow Bruce to get his approval. I think of all the Robins Tim might be the least interested in Bruce's approval. (Modern era Dick is weirdly open about wanting Bruce's approval which I don't like. Nightwing is for me ideally in extreme denial about his and Bruce's interdependance.)

Tim is far too aware of Batman's problems to want to become him. This is the kid that became Robin at Batman's lowest low. He didn't become the sidekick/ward/son of a vigilante who was larger than life, he became the support of a broken down man. It makes sense to have Dick and Jason involuntarily idolize the man, because the Batman they knew was amazing, but the Batman Tim knew? That was a spiralling man.

Which might also be why it bothers so many people that Tim isn't allowed to grow out of the Robin mantle, it feels extremely natural for him to be getting over his original mantle and connection to Batman.

#Tim Drake #ask answered #sorry for thje late-ish reply anon. I wanted to reply after sleeping so I wouldn't write utter shite #that being said I'm still really not an expert on Tim either...#rambling

270 notes · View notes

thattimdrakeguy · 2 years

Text

A Random Review of Titans United: Bloodpact

Sorry some of these pics are blurry. Some are really big and Tumblr doesn’t like them. So Hopefully they’re still readable.

For the simple reason of me enjoying how Tim Drake was drawn on the cover of the issue I decided to read it, despite me mostly choosing not to read any modern comic, because of my displeasure of the writing choices.

But Tim’s pretty unlucky with artists and how they draw him so seeing this was enough for me to give it a quick look.

I don’t exactly need a deep reason to read a comic.

But it ended up being a very pleasant surprise, because I wasn’t expecting much since it was a Titans comic, and apparently has the line-up of the live action show that I thought was boring. And used T-Shirt Kon, who I don’t particularly favor.

It ended being a surprisingly fun read. Not a really deep one, or a completely smooth read, but a really fun read.

Most of the first issue is a big fight, so instead of actual character moments, it’s more like “OH NOW IT’S THIS PERSON’S CHANCE TO SAY A LINE, AND NOW THEIRS” and so on. So if you’re reading because you love Starfire or Donna Troy or someone, you aren’t going to get much out of this first issue.

However to my shock, it was mostly focused on Tim Drake.

And all around has a damn good Tim Drake in it.

Tim Drake even inside the book and not just on it’s cover is very clearly identifiable as Tim Drake. Making him the smallest member of the team, along with his famously notable baby-face, big eyes, and classic hairstyle. Things that, despite literally being his description within the comics themselves, have a hard time being depicted often enough that it’s considered a pain.

He actually starts the comic off in his normal clothes, and before I read a single line I could tell it was Tim, because of how he was drawn, which isn’t always the case sadly. Sometimes he can be in costume and I’ll not be sure if it’s Tim because it doesn’t look like him.

This isn’t only a thing for Tim as well. All the other characters are drawn very distinctly so that if they were in streetwear as well, you could also tell who they are very easily. (On a side note I quite like the clothes they put Tim in. Simple, and comfy. Just feels very Timmy. Never a fan of when they dress him up extra formal or something, and tired of the generic button up look on him.)

Compared to someone like Dan Mora, who while also being a fantastic artist. Basically draws Tim Drake Robin and Dick Grayson Robin as the exact same person in a different outfit. Which isn’t favorable.

It’s increasingly rare to see an artist put in the effort to make sure the characters look like themselves if they don’t fit the typical depiction of a super hero, so it was a very welcomed addition.

Only one who looks a bit off might be Conner, who, apart from my opinion on his costume in this, just looks a little bit off. I think it might be the hair, ‘cause I don’t think he’s ever had a haircut like this.

But that’s a nit-pick if I’ve ever heard. So really, who gives a damn.

I’m mostly just having fun seeing Tim pop up all tiny-like in several panels. With several moments showing the team being a bit protective for him, which also feels right back at home for Tim. Never in any overwhelming way, but in a way that feels right without being distracting. Never making it too much about Tim that he feels overbearing when it’s a team book.

The writings also very fun, and writes the characters, it does put a bit more of a spotlight on pretty well. It starts off sort of old school with it’s style of narration, but it gives it a really interesting charm that I appreciated.

Beast Boy has his usual snarky, self-absorbed-ish attitude. And I really enjoyed how Dick and some of the other more typical Titans have a more mature attitude to them, that shows that are grown and serious.

Which is so satisfying in the way of Dick Grayson, because let me tell you, I am so sick of the depiction of Dick Grayson as a some sort of man child or doofus. He’s been a very serious, concerned, hard of himself, workaholic since maybe even before the 80s. To strip that away just to make him a sitcom character always came across as disrespectful for me.

Tim, who again, is the surprising focus of this first issue, and possibly the rest of the comic going off of how important he is to the beginning in end of the issue, but we’ll have to see on that, but anyways, is written very well.

I was super pleased with how Tim was written, because it felt like a fully rounded version of him, and not a fraction of him, or a generic hero that a writer placed his name on.

It shows how naturally heroic he is instantly, but doesn’t overwhelm the reader with that to the point he’s horrendously boring.

It’s the best representation of Tim Drake and Dick Grayson’s actual relationship in years. It’s not just redoing something they did 20 to 30 years ago. It’s new content of them being baby brother and big brother, having a back and forth full of teasing.

Seeing Timmy have his bratty baby brother side be shown for the first time in a way that’s felt authentic in years has been wonderful, even if it’s only for a page or two, because it sucks me in to this world, believing it’s actually in the same universe as the stories I love, instead of butchering it. It feels natural, because it’s them, not a pandering mess. It’s just them being them, and they’re fantastic together.

Timmy Drake also has his very very boyish and juvenile energy back. And is also made clear to be the ultimate underdog of the DC Universe, also very representative of who Tim is. Again, adding more layers to him, that represent who he is, through natural dialogue that feels appropriate for the moment, and authentic as if these are real people living in this fantasy and sci-fi laced world.

And overall when it comes to Tim, really shows how simple it honestly is to write the kid. He is not a difficult character to write. It’s done with such ease that I adore it.

These are such small moments into the overall, but it doesn’t matter, because seeing a Tim Drake just be Tim Drake, and showing off his different layers is a rarity. It is probably the best Tim writing since issue 1 of Sum of Our Parts, since...sadly Fitzmartin has shown that she isn’t really a great writer...and has...bad tendencies that really just insult the audience.

Could this also happen with this writer? Very well possibly. But that’s just how it is. Some writers stay good. Some writers are good but have bad moments. Some writers are bad and have good moments. In the end these writers are people, and people aren’t perfect. The same way I’m not perfect, and you’re not perfect. It’s simply how it is, as disheartening as it can be at times.

In the end it’s just fun, and represents them well. Though I’m just now realizing after posting that panel that Gar just said their real names which is...not very hero-y but oh well. It happens.

At the end of the story even it shows Tim’s good heart, empathy, and detectively mind without going overboard to the point it feels like flanderization.

There’s not much I can say beyond it’s overall super solid, and super satisfying if you’re a Tim Drake fan. Wish I could say more about the other characters. But they all seem to know each other, creating a nice big open world feel, and it’s nice. Sort of homely, ignoring how there’s a major fight happening. It makes the world feel real, which is rare, when so many other comics end up so inconsistent it never feels right.

I’d recommend reading it for sure.

It just goes to show that the good stuff doesn’t come from changing the characters in random ways.

The good stuff comes from putting our favorite characters in fun situations that highlight their personalities.

And Titans United: Bloodpact does it in spades.

#Tim Drake #Robin #Dick Grayson #Nightwing #Garfield Logan #Beast Boy #Conner Kent #Superboy #Donna Troy #Starfire #Kory Anders #Teen Titans #The Titans #DC Comics #Bloodpact #Comic Review #Review #Again sorry if some of the pictures are blurry #Titans United

108 notes · View notes

communistchilchuck · 2 years

Note

You have pre reboot Lonnie reading list? 👀

Lonnie Machin/Anarky/Moneyspider Pre-Flashpoint Reading List

You bet! This is going to get a little long, so I’ll put everything under the cut. Personal favorites will be starred with an asterisk and issues most important to his character/story will be bolded, though I do heavily suggest reading unstarred comics as well. So, without further ado…

(I included a few personal notes that reflect some of my own thoughts and feelings. Feel free to disagree with anything I’ve written, I just figured I’d add them in case anybody was curious about what I have to say.)

* FIRST APPEARANCE - Detective Comics (1937) #608-609

FIRST APPEARANCE AS ‘Moneyspider’/FIRST MEETING WITH TIM DRAKE - Detective Comics (1937) #618-620. Arc also depicts the death of Tim’s mother Janet Drake.

CW: Racist depiction of Haïtian people and misrepresentation of Vodou and Obeah. If you’d like, you can skip or skim the ‘Obeah Man’ arc, as Lonnie is only relevant in the unrelated B-plot involving Tim’s detective case (most prominently in issue #620) or forego the comic entirely. Most essential information is that Lonnie meets Tim, it provides context for some later appearances, and Lonnie is established as a proficient hacker who managed to siphon funds from WayneTech.

* Robin (1993) Annual #1

Batman: Shadow of the Bat #16-18

* FIRST MEETING WITH OLIVER QUEEN (Green Arrow I) - Green Arrow (1988) #89

* The Batman Adventures #31 (DCAU)

Batman Chronicles #1 (second story)

* Batman: Shadow of the Bat #40-41

NOTE: This is sort of where you begin to see Alan Grant (Lonnie’s creator)’s emerging Randian Objectivism and Neo-Tech sympathies show. It gets kind of weird about technology and “enlightenment” among other things. As Lonnie was always meant to reflect Grant’s political beliefs, I will not say this is ‘OOC’, but I will say that I personally am not a fan of the direction. These two issues are massively important for the character, so I will advise they be read.

Anarky (1997) #1-4

NOTE: As stated above, Grant (and thus Lonnie) takes a turn into Neo-Tech Objectivism (which, if I may be frank, is scam pseudo-philosophical garbage). Though this is Lonnie’s first solo comic, I myself have mixed feelings about it for that reason. However, if you want to see more of where the character goes, Lonnie having a cute dog he really loves, developing history and characterization, and a second brush with the occult, feel free to go ahead.

* Batman: Shadow of the Bat #73

NOTE: Though this is a relatively minor appearance, it’s still one of my favorites.

Anarky (1999) #1-8

NOTE: A messy series that nobody wanted (I mean this almost literally, Grant did not want to write it) and got cancelled before they could disprove the Joker paternity arc. I’ve softened on some parts of it over time as I’ve learned more about the editorial mandates and hard situations the creative team went through that resulted in a little bit of disaster, but I still approach it with a healthy amount of criticism from a fan perspective. I will say that the over-the-top antics are relatively normal for a comic book and most of my contempt comes from the fact that the politics are not my favorite and I dislike certain character and writing decisions, etc., but it does feature some characterization I do enjoy so I won’t write it off.

CW: American Confederacy (Mandated “Haunted Tank” cameo appearance) in Issue #7. Issue is skippable without missing anything too important.

Young Justice: Sins of Youth #1

Sins of Youth: JLA, Jr. #1

* Green Arrow (2001) #51

NOTE: One of my favorite Anarky comics of all time and a genuinely wonderful character examination featuring a team-up I adore.

Robin (1993) #180-183

NOTE: Some time between Green Arrow (2001) #51 and these issues, Lonnie was shot in the head, chemically paralyzed, and kept catatonic (comatose? Both are used) by Ulysses Hadrian Armstrong, aka The General. Ulysses would keep Lonnie attached to an iron lung and wire his mind to a digital communications network, forcing Lonnie to work for him. He is able to talk using speech synthesis and explore the depths of the internet/communicate with others as ‘Moneyspider’ once again. This sets up his role in Red Robin (2009). The writer, Fabian Nicieza, does not show what led up to this happening and you’re only told more of the details through inference and research (he detailed that Lonnie got shot on a forum post, for example), so I felt it necessary to go over here.

Red Robin (2009) #13-25

NOTE: Lonnie begins to work with Tim Drake full-time as ‘Moneyspider’ as he recovers in Leslie Thompkins’ clinic. Issue #25 is his last appearance before the DCU’s New 52/Flashpoint reboot.

#asks #if anyone knows of any cws i should go in and add please let me know! i’d be happy to do so

63 notes · View notes

chaoticthotsstuff · 1 year

Text

i asked an AI about Batman's Children

Batman, also known as Bruce Wayne, is one of the most popular and enduring comic book characters of all time. Over the years, he has been joined by a number of "children," including sidekicks, proteges, and adopted children, each with their own unique powers and abilities. In this essay, we will explore Batman's various children, their powers, and their relationships with the Dark Knight himself.

The first of Batman's children was Dick Grayson, also known as Robin. Grayson was introduced in 1940 as a teenage acrobat who becomes Batman's ward after his parents are murdered. Grayson has no superpowers but is a skilled fighter and acrobat, making him an effective sidekick to Batman. Over the years, Grayson has gone through several transitions, including becoming his own superhero as Nightwing and briefly taking on the mantle of Batman after Bruce Wayne's apparent death.

The second of Batman's children was Barbara Gordon, also known as Batgirl. Gordon was introduced in 1967 as the daughter of Gotham City's police commissioner. She was inspired to become a crimefighter after a chance encounter with Batman and Robin. Gordon has no superpowers but is highly intelligent and skilled in martial arts, making her a valuable member of the Bat-family. In 1988, Gordon was famously paralyzed by the Joker, leading her to become the wheelchair-bound computer expert known as Oracle.

The third of Batman's children was Jason Todd, also known as Robin. Todd was introduced in 1983 as a street orphan who is taken in by Batman and trained as his new sidekick. Todd is known for being more impulsive and hot-headed than Grayson, which ultimately leads to his death at the hands of the Joker. However, Todd is later resurrected and becomes the antihero known as the Red Hood.

The fourth of Batman's children was Tim Drake, also known as Robin. Drake was introduced in 1989 as a young boy who deduces Batman's secret identity and convinces him to take him on as his new sidekick. Drake is known for being highly intelligent and strategic, making him a valuable asset to Batman. Drake eventually gives up the Robin mantle and becomes his own superhero as Red Robin.

The fifth of Batman's children was Cassandra Cain, also known as Batgirl. Cain was introduced in 1999 as the daughter of two notorious assassins who trained her to become a lethal fighter. Cain has no superpowers but is a skilled martial artist, making her a formidable ally to Batman. Cain eventually gives up the Batgirl mantle and becomes a member of the Bat-family known as Orphan.

The sixth of Batman's children was Damian Wayne, also known as Robin. Wayne was introduced in 2006 as the son of Bruce Wayne and Talia al Ghul. Wayne is known for being highly skilled in combat, thanks to his rigorous training by the League of Assassins. Wayne has a contentious relationship with Batman, as he often clashes with his father's strict moral code. However, over time, Wayne grows to respect and admire Batman, even taking on the mantle of Batman himself after Bruce Wayne's disappearance.

In conclusion, Batman's various children have played an important role in the Batman mythos over the years. Each child brings their own unique powers and abilities to the table, as well as their own complex relationships with Batman. From Grayson's acrobatics to Wayne's combat skills, each child has left their mark on the Dark Knight's world, and their stories continue to inspire new generations of comic book fans.

#batman #robin #bruce wayne #dick grayson #nightwing #jason todd #barbara gordon #batgirl #orphan #cassandra cain #red hood #joker #batfam #batclan #batdad #dc comics #history of batman childrem #damian wayne

24 notes · View notes

androxys · 2 years

Photo

I saw this prompt from @aliteralchicken a while ago and then got distracted from it but eventually circled back. Here are some of my very specific comic recs! Detailed listing and the blank template below.

This was fun! I definitely encourage anyone who sees this to do one of these themselves.

This Character/Mantle/Team has a lot of solos, but this is the best one: Batgirl (2009) featuring Stephanie Brown. Look, I almost made this Cass’ 2000 solo, but the ending to Cass’ series was just... shaky. And that isn’t Cass’ fault any more than Stephanie is to blame for the way that this series was rushed to completion for Flashpoint and the New 52. But I think the writing here is a little more solid over the whole thing (thanks to being the same writer the whole way through) and I’m just a sucker for Steph. And Babs, having such a strong support role!

I would read anything with these characters in it so here’s one of them: I’ve read every Tim Drake appearance in New Earth continuity. I’m working on the Superboy solo, now that I’ve finished Death and Return of Superman. I’ve read the first ~10-12 of Impulse’s run, and am looking into finding Cassie’s early Wonder Woman stories. I followed these four in to Geoff Jones’ Teen Titans run. I read Young Justice (2019). But Young Justice (1998) just takes the cake for the best stories and dynamics for this group.

You insult this comic you insult me personally: Death, the Deluxe Edition, by Neil Gaiman. Moment of appreciation for Neil. The Sandman in general was really eye-opening for me, in a philosophic sense, regarding how I understood what the ~meaning of life~ was or should be. Namely, that the meaning is what we make of it, and we might as well make it kind. Death and her stories here really embody that the most for me.

Would recommend to someone who has never picked up a comic and to a long time fan: Gotham Central by Rucka and Bruebaker is a cop comic. I know. But importantly, they know too. This is a really tightly written series with moving plots, complex characters, and compelling thoughts. Renee Montoya in this comic... I could write essays. But because it’s ground level, it lets anyone who just likes mystery or procedurals walk right in and get started, rather than having to be up to date on all the Bat-lore. If you do know, however, there are so many good details.

This adaptation had one job: Hush. Nothing else to say.

I have beef with this writer but this is the exception: I wouldn’t say I have beef with Tom King, I just think that having read some of his Batman work, and then reading Mister Miracle, he just needs to play with characters that aren’t Batman. This feeling was reinforced reading Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow, which I almost put up there instead. Mister Miracle won out because it was what converted me back to King.

Doesn’t have to be great, just has to be nostalgic: It’s well documented on this blog how much I love the JLA: Tower of Babel story. I also want to go on record and say how much I love the JLA title. Did you know that stories from the 90′s were perfect and never bad ever?

Characters or Genre that I don’t usually read but I enjoyed: I don’t care about Green Lantern. I’m sorry. Hal Jordan is just some guy. But Green Lantern/Green Arrow is a classic for a reason. This one is also really compelling to me when I think about the larger cultural context this comic was being published into.

And as promised, blank template:

#dc comics #comicblogging #stephanie brown #the sandman #death of the endless #batman hush #fourth world #tower of babel #chit chat

22 notes · View notes

maribatserver · 1 year

Text

Heartthrob Heroes: To the Victors Go the Spoils

After many, many submissions from the best fans ever, we have our three winners! So, without further ado, behold the definitive Heartthrob Heroes of the Maribat Fandom!

Our dear Tim Drake received the most submissions of anyone, with a total of 94. The word submitted the most, however, was Caffeinated, though we would argue that the best word submitted was Zoopy.

Jason Todd, who we surely all love a perfectly normal amount, received 44 submissions. The word that was submitted the most, however, was Babygirl, and whoever is responsible for that: you're right and we're so glad you said it.

And of course, it wouldn't be Maribat without Marinette, which is probably why our girl got 40 submissions of all the things we love about her. Her most submitted word was Formidable, because as we all know, Marinette is terrifying when threatened (or sleep deprived).

Maribat is a fandom of many characters though, and while we may not love them all equally, we do love them! However, as tumblr has a limit of 30 images per post, we will be loving them in another post! Big thanks to @nottesilhouette for handling the logistics of word submissions and supplying a word cloud generator, to @newdog14 for taking those submissions and turning them into cards, and to @izanae for assisting with rounding out words and looking up definitions on Urban Dictionary.

#valentines #maribat #maribat discord server #maribat server #maribat event #heartthrob heroes #hh #valentines day

17 notes · View notes

fancyfade · 11 months

Note

choose violence: 1, 6, 7, 10, 12, 22

1: answered here (link)

6: which ship fans are the most annoying?

:P Oh wow a choose violence one indeed. I have seen so much character hate in dick ships. like. Babs is put down and simplified, people speak of her character from a place of ignorance to try to explain why her ship is bad, Kory is put down and simplified people speak of her character from a place of ignorance to explain why her ship is bad (and on AB dickb.abs side, people just accept ableism if it means they get their ship). Like. The problem is not the relationships themselves, it's the fans who prioritize male characters above all else and it happens in more than 1 group of shippers.

7 what character did you begin to hate not because of canon but because how how the fandom acts about them?

I don't really hate any characters because of how fandom interacts about them, I can generally separate canon from fandom pretty well.

I think my characters with the longest #character name negative tag, which is often influenced both by how they are portrayed in fandom and in canon, are jason todd and tim drake. :P Sorry dudes. But I still like you. But when I see bad stuff in canon or fandom i make negative posts about u, or more of my take on the bad stuff which I realize can be perceived as negative and tag it as such.

10 worst part of fanon

God there are so many. NGL I do not like the 'my blorbo most be the most oppressed and special person ever and everyone around them is mean and unreasonable'. Like whether it's Dick or Jason having relationships with Bruce that are way oversimplified from canon for the sake of angst (or always going with the most black-and-white, boring version of a canon story told multiple times, often a retcon), Tim being bullied by the entire Batfam and oppressed by a 10 year old, or Damian's childhood in the League being written to be even harder than it was with a lot of emphasis on physical abuse it's terrible.

12 the unpopular character that you actually like and why more people should like them

Helena Kosmatos (aka Fury v1). I just learned that she had more than 1 comic appearance like a week ago and I already love her. What's not to like? She's super strong, her power was first activated by murderous rage she felt towards her nazi collaborator brother (who she then killed) and she can turn into a giant red monster and power up even further.

... however I have to warn everyone that like. Young All Star comics are not very high quality. And (link) So I'm not really saying you have to go read her comics, just that she's unpopular (because no one knows who she is) and I love her.

22 your favorite part of canon that everyone else ignores

hmmmm...

like the character everyone gets wrong, this one is hard for me to tell because you kind of wind up naturally surrounding yourself with people who like the same things you do, so you can be insane about those ideas together. Like LexCorp Talia is great and generally ignored in fandom (unless the person in question is a Talia fan), but the people I talk to about Talia all love it.

I guess overall it's not my favorite part of canon, but it's still a thing I like in canon that I think most people ignore :P Crisis events. I don't always like the interpretation that the world literally changed, like often I try to think of things that are less reality altering, but I do like the giant scale and characters all working together and I think they're fun fic fodder.

#dc comics #ask #tumblr games #nonbinaryhectorhall #negativity

2 notes · View notes

sladerobinweek · 3 years

Text

About

Why ‘SladeRobin’ week and not just a SladeDick or SladeJason etc. week?

As all the Slade/Batkids ships are relatively minor within fandom, the mods felt it reasonable to combine them together into one week, rather than do a bunch of separate ones. To avoid this being a Slade/Any Bat week, however, we also decided to limit it to characters that fit under the description of 'Robin'.

This currently includes:

Dick Grayson

Jason Todd

Tim Drake

Damian Wayne

Carrie Kelley

Stephanie Brown

Duke Thomas

Jarro

Any 'We Are Robin' kid

If you want to present an argument why another character should count, let us know! Mods have final judgment on whether a fill is appropriate or not.

With the week name, do the Batkids have to be Robin in the fill?

Nope! When deciding the week name, ‘Robin’ was simply the easiest title to use to describe the pairings we were originally promoting with Slade. Stories can take place in any universe and at any point in any characters' respective timeline.

Does my fill have to involve Slade/Robin as a ship?

Not at all! So long as your fill involves Slade interacting with a Batkid in some fashion, it’s welcome. Nor does Slade/Robin have to be the end game pairing if you are creating a shippy fill. e.g A fill involving Slade/Dick that ends in Dick/Jason would be perfectly fine, as would a story where Slade and Jason are forced to work together without any hint of attraction between them.

How do I participate?

Simply check the prompts list for the event when it goes up and create some kind of content to be posted on the days you’re interested in. Anything from fic, art, image manips, fanmixes, and meta is welcome! The mod will then check the week tags on each day and reblog your content here for everyone to see.

How are prompts decided?

By the fans. A couple months before the week is due to start, we’ll ask for prompt suggestions from everyone, then put up a vote to see which options people like best.

Anything else I need to know?

We have a Discord server now for discussing the SladeRobin pairings, whether in general or in relation to the week. Access is moderated, so if you’d like to join, please send an ask off anon so we can provide you a link.

#About #Mod Stuff

6 notes · View notes

krystalalinawinters · 8 months

Note

Hello. I have a few questions, for you. Of course, you don't have to answer them, if you don't want to.

What is your opinion on Star wars? How did you come to it?

Do you prefer canon or legends? If you have a preference, why is that?

Do you have experiences With dc comics? Do you have a favorite hero, of this certain comic company? If yes, why?

Do you think that palpatine's return, in both legends and canon, changes anything about Vader's death? Do you think that vader killing the emperor, and the emperor coming back, makes Vader's death seem not as important?

What is your opinion on Luke saying that, he wouldn't go after caedus, because he knew that he couldn't hold himself back from killing him?

Do you think that yoda is a good teacher? If yes, why? If no, why?

What is your opinion on dumbledore, from the Harry Potter series?

I thank you for your time, and hope you have a great morning, day or night.

Hello, mo1475! I’m happy to answer questions :) Though I've probably ranted excessively…

I am familiar with Star Wars, and I have a generally good opinion of the content I’ve interacted with; however, it’s been some time since I last interacted with the franchise in earnest, so I’m not familiar with the more recent series.

I’d assume I prefer canon? I haven’t seen Legends, so I can’t give a definitive answer to this one.

I do have knowledge of DC, though it’s more in the form of “I’ve read enough fanfiction to understand the plot points” than “I’ve read the comics”. I have watched some episodes of The Flash and Arrow, among other things, but I’ve never even touched a DC comic book. And yes, I do have a favourite DC hero, with no competition for the title: Red Robin | Tim Drake. It’s hard to explain why I like him, especially since I’ve only been familiar with the fanon version of him. I just think he’s neat. (If I had to pick a second favourite, it would probably be another member of the Batfam—most likely Cass)

Unlike many Star Wars fans, I don’t have a very strong opinion about Palpatine’s return, though in response to your question, I must say that it does take away from Vader’s death. I barely remember anything about the original six movies (I haven’t watched them in years), but Vader’s death is one scene I do remember. Anything that takes away from the significance of that scene, which stuck in even a child’s mind, is a bad choice in writing, in my opinion.

I’m unfamiliar with this plot point. I… have no idea who caedus is.

I don’t really have an opinion on Yoda. I’ve always thought the lore around him was a little weird; I didn’t pay much attention to it. I suppose he must, to some extent, have been a good teacher, since Luke won, but there’s also Dooku, so… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dumbledore… feels unimportant. I never focused on him much as a character because of that. I liked learning his backstory, but that was probably the only time I cared about him. I found him boring and preferred to obsess over Hermione, Remus, Hedwig, Draco, and Professor McGonagall. It felt like Dumbledore did nothing to advance the plot… and then died. Beyond that—and I’m probably being too harsh because of this—it’s frustrating that J. K. Rowling declared he was gay to get representation points without putting anything into the books about it. I understand clarifying sexualities outside of source material when they’re ambiguous, but there should have been enough evidence in the text for people to infer that he wasn’t straight.

Thank you for the ask! I enjoyed answering—gave me a good break from the crippling weight of deadlines. I hope you have a good morning, day or night as well!

#ask response #star wars #harry potter #dc universe #really just tagging these for people who have them blocked #long post #not writing related #deathly hallows spoilers #ig #thanks dad

0 notes

waywardsummoner46 · 2 years

Text

Character List~

Finally! It is here. Hopefully this helps you all with any confusion or just in general.

What I’ll write:

Polyamorous relationships (character x reader x character)

Plain old character x reader

sibling!character or parent!character x reader

Absolutely any AU at all, I’ll list a few ideas down the list

Any version of a character (yandere, dark, etc.)

Literally anything I guess, if it bothers me I’ll let you know!

For certain characters the requests will be strictly platonic however I’m still willing to write dark stuff for them too.

There’s also definitely some I’ve missed so if you don’t see a character or fandom you’re interested in, don’t be afraid to ask!

I’ll put a star next to the characters I’m most interested in writing just in case your struggling to choose!

So here’s the list itself (it’s a bit messy I’m afraid oops):

Supernatural

· Dean Winchester (most versions of) *

· Sam Winchester (most versions of) *

· Castiel (most versions of) *

· Gabriel *

· Charlie Bradbury

· Jack Kline (platonic)

· Bobby Singer (platonic)

· Rowena Macleod

· Crowley

Grishaverse

· Kaz Brekker

· Inej Ghafa

· Nina Zenik

· Matthias Helvar

· Jesper Fahey

· Wylan van Eck

· Aleksander Morozova *

· Nikolai Lantsov *

· Alina Starkov

· Zoya Nazyalenski

· Genya Safin

MCU

· Peter Parker (all versions) *

· Loki *

· Doctor Strange *

· Natasha Romanoff

· Yelena Belova

· Steve Rogers

· Druig *

· Milo/Lucien

X-Men

· Charles Xavier

· Peter Maximoff

· Jean Grey

· Logan

Guardians of the Galaxy

· Gamora

· Nebula

Defenders

· Matt Murdock

· Jessica Jones

· Kilgrave

· Billy Russo*

Sherlock

· Benedict Cumberbatch *

· Henry Cavill

DC~

· Joker (Barry Keoghan or Heath Ledger)

· The Riddler (Paul Dano)

· Superman

· Poison Ivy

· Harley Quinn

· Dick Grayson (any version of) *

· Jason Todd (any version of)

· Tim Drake

· Damian Wayne (platonic unless aged-up)

· Wonder Woman

· John Constantine (Keanu Reeves)

· Anarky

Gotham

· Jerome Valeska

· Jeremiah Valeska *

· Edward Nygma

The Witcher

· Geralt of Rivia

· Jaskier

Dune

· Paul Atreides *

· Channi

Twilight~

· Jasper Hale - Major Whitlock (the fan concept of a different, more dominant personality for him interests me a lot so...) *

· Alice Cullen

· Aro

Doctor Who

· Ten

· Eleven

The Boys

· Soldier Boy

Divergent

· Tobias Eaton

· Tris Prior

Harry Potter

· Tom Riddle *

· Marauders Era!Remus Lupin *

· Marauders Era!Sirius Black

· Newt Scamander

Scream

· Billy Loomis

· Stu Macher

The Maze Runner

· Thomas

· Newt - Crank!Newt

Once Upon A Time

· Peter Pan *

Star Wars

· Kylo Ren

· Anakin Skywalker

· Luke Skywalker

· Leia Organa

Star Trek

· Khan Noonien Singh

Throne of Glass (please for the love of god request for this!!!! If you haven’t read it, I highly recommend it!)

· Rowan Whitethorn *

· Aelin Galathynius *

· Aedion Ashryver

· Dorian Havilliard (with or without collar) *

· Manon Blackbeak *

· Ansel of Briarcliff

· Asterin Blackbeak

· Elide Lochan

· Lorcan Salvaterre

· Fenrys Moonbeam

· Lysandra

· Nesryn Faliq

· Sam Cortland

The Cruel Prince

· Cardan Greenbriar *

· Jude Duarte

Percy Jackson and Related

· Piper McLean

· Hazel Levesque

· Nico di Angelo

· Leo Valdez *

The Mortal Instruments

· Jace Herondale

American Horror Story

· James Patrick March *

· Tate Langdon

· Kai Anderson

Teen Wolf

· Stiles Stilinski - Nogitsune *

Caraval

· Legend *

· Jacks, The Prince of Hearts *

· Donatella Dragna

· Scarlett Dragna

Walker

· Cordell Walker

My Bloody Valentine

· Tom Hanniger

Cry Wolf 2005

· Tommy Jordan

Peaky Blinders

· Tommy Shelby

Gilmore Girls

· Dean Forester

Good Omens

· Crowley (Nanny Ashtoreth)*

· Aziraphale*

Little Women

· Theodore “Laurie” Laurence

The Matrix

· Neo *

· Trinity

Brooklyn Nine Nine

· Rosa Diaz

· Jake Peralta

· Gina Linetti

Kingdom of the Wicked

· Emilia di Carlo

· Wrath

· Lust

A Court of Thorns and Roses (still reading, will add more characters as I go on)

· Rhysand

· Feyre

· Lucien

· Nesta

· Mor

· Azriel

· Cassian

· Amren

House of the Dragon

· Daemon Targaryen

· Rhaenyra Targaryen

258 notes · View notes

thattimdrakeguy · 6 months

Text

A Mild-Small Ramble-Jamble About Comics. Again. Yeah.

Look, I don't read comics anymore. I don't. At least DC Comics. Why would I? They're bad. You think they're popular 'cause of what the fandom makes you think? No, honey, what you think is popular is purely because most people who talk pretty about it will eat what ever slop they give you. Most people left. This is why characters that seem popular keep getting cancelled. There's no deeper reason than that. Most simply think they're a waste of time, and aren't very good.

Is that rude to say? Yes. I know it is. But I also do not care that much at the same time. Enjoy your slop.

Not everyone needs a five star meal to be content, you get what I'm saying?

I'm certainly not someone that needs a five star meal. I'm content with a two star meal honestly if that needs to be.

All I want is something that feels like it was made and properly prepared by someone who cared. In food, enough to have a nice enough taste. In comics it's that I want the writer to at least seem like they're trying their best to understand the character they're writing, and to give them nice new chapters and adventures that feel like they're worth reading and fit along nicely with the character.

All you have to do is give a shit.

Simply put, I'm fine with a person doesn't know what Tim Drake's favorite pizza is, as long as they know the sort of boy he is.

Someone forgets Damian Wayne doesn't eat meat? Well, I guess as long as they know who he is and who he isn't. It's not brought up that much in all honesty. I can forgive them not knowing one trait, that typically doesn't effect is personality in nearly every other moment not directly relating to it.

And gosh, if someone doesn't understand Superman that badly, why would I read anything they write?

Some characters like Batman have had such a varied existence as a fictional character due to the events in the industry that has forced changed upon him. Making his inconsistency, at least, to an extent, forgivable.

Others don't. They were made in times where comics have remained consistent beyond the tastes of the public changing. So when a character changes so violently, with no good reason, it's distracting and bad.

I'm not gonna be someone who'll let a writer making random changes be considered 'character development' when I know better. Character changes have to make sense and have some level of consistency with the character and the heart of their story to be actual character development. Treating someone's lazy work as if they did something good, only let's the poor work continue.

To me, if I have to convince myself I like something by lying to myself. I don't like the damn thing. That's harder to do when you're an active part of the fandom that takes up a good chunk of your personal life. Believe you me.

I'd rather read a mediocre comic that gives me the character, then a story that doesn't give me anything.

That has a soul at least. You could feel a passion then.

Yet, 'cause of the lack of anyone who cares remaining, we're left with writers getting their fan fictions published. And I have no problems with fan fictions, hell, technically every story written after the original creator is a fan fiction.

At the same time however, you'd be pompous and playing dumb if you couldn't admit the difference between a professional writer using his talents to create the new chapter, keeping good consistency, and general writing knowledge to create a nice bridge to a new era with a new imagination behind the controls keeping a steady grip on what works and what doesn't.

And a fan fiction where every character has two traits, and neither of them are right. And people only praise because it offers itself nicely to people who are fine only care about the superficial.

This is all made so much worse by the active 'fandom' obsessing over writers who took interesting new characters, who had so many different levels of complexities and eccentricities, and instead wrote them to have moments where they're written like a toddler, and can't keep the character's personality and motives consistent to save their lives, even taking part in making them do things that the 'fandom' themselves deem out of character, but they're willingly ignore because oh they gave the character an 'uwu' moment that's causing everyone else to leave.

Or relationships that make no sense when you actually read what came before, simply because they changed the characters to become tropes they didn't fit into before, that they happen to like.

Edgy characters, with boiling turmoil in their spirits that has potential for stories to last decades about mature topics, the other character in their super-hero 'family' couldn't tell, being turned into...well, just an edgier version of what another character used to be.

Highly praised character arcs ignored to make a character more quirky and pathetic, to seem more 'dateable' to a sect of people on the internet who I doubt would care about the character otherwise, and likely doesn't buy any comics to begin with.

Which, a lot of this sounding, gatekeeping, and I don't really want to gatekeep, and I'm not. If they enjoy themselves, so be it. I'd rather be grumpy and ignore something I used to like, over people who have nothing else because of the state of their lives to feel like they have to be lonelier. I'm well aware of how a lot of people can be.

I've been in similar positions before.

I'm just saying stuff I've already said before, but I'm saying again, 'cause it's all came to the top of my mind again. That's all really.

A company with creative properties that used to be at the top of their industry now laid to rest as soulless duds that sometimes don't look like themselves, let alone act like themselves.

Why purchase a product that's more offensive then something I can get for free? At least the actual fan fiction normally doesn't promote itself as actually being the next chapter in a character's life.

There's changing with the times, and then there's laying down and playing dead out of desperation someone might take pity on them.

Treating scraps like treats, when if they'd try a little bit harder the world's at their finger tips again.

Only reason I'm saying this again is the added layer of "Oh fuck, they're still like this?". It's more sad than it was before, and it was already pathetic.

2 notes · View notes

forestlingincorporated · 3 years

Text

I wanna talk about Janet Drake

I’m not against exaggeratedly evil versions of Tim’s parents, tbh. It’s fanfiction, if we can depict an Exaggeratedly Good version of Bruce (which we can, and I do, and I love) then we can depict the Drakes as Exaggeratedly Bad. As someone who personally identifies with Tim, and his brand of complicated parental abuse in particular, I find it cathartic to uncomplicate that abuse and rescue him from the Obviously Evil Bad People.

That said, since much of comics lore is passed down word of mouth, the oral tradition surrounding Tim has developed this idea of Janet as The Worse Parent between her and Jack that was never really present in the comics. We see much LESS of Janet, and we have 20 years worth of comics depicting Jack as a neglectful hotheaded idiot who ultimate does love his son. More importantly, Jack isn’t very much LIKE Tim, so there is a habit to attribute Tim’s traits to his mother... and, as someone who really really identifies with Tim, Tim has... some negative traits. Tim can be a bitch sometimes. He’s fiercely intelligent and sweet and kind, with a strong sense of justice, but he can be cold and judgmental and unthinking - he fights those traits, but he does have them.

And it is perfectly fine to depict Janet that way. I’ve enjoyed depictions of Cold Calculating Janet Drake, but it’s not the ONLY option, and I want to challenge fans to consider different avenues. Tim could pick up these traits from anywhere: a nanny, Mrs. Mc Ilvaine (”Mrs. Mac”), a teacher, tv, Sherlock Holmes novels, Bruce Wayne himself. Tim is capable of not being like EITHER parent.

So, what do we KNOW about Janet? (I’ll also touch on Jack, but only in scenes he appears with Janet.)

When Janet was first introduced she was depicted as a gentle but “modern” woman. This was written in 1989, told by a 13 year old Tim, so this theoretically was meant to take place in 1979. I’m not here to give a lecture on the history of sex discrimination in the united states, but much of the legislation protecting women in the workforce or surrounding women’s bodily autonomy would have been very very new in this initial depiction.

Here, Janet is shown to be encouraging, emotional, maternal, and projects her own feelings onto Tim. Jack is shown to be slightly sexist, possibly discouraging, but not overbearing. And the artist is shown not to know how to draw children.

To insert some speculation, I think it’s important to note all the Drakes witnessed a terrible murder/accident that day. I point this out, because this is the last time Jack and Janet are depicted this way. It’s possible they changed as a result of this event specifically.

However, this is also a story being told by Tim. It’s also possible these events aren’t really “real” at all, and Tim is misremembering what his parents were like as a three-year-old, possibly projecting a more palatable version of his parents into the narrative. This is entirely up to personal interpretation.

In fact, the Drakes are shown in Legend of the Dark Knight attending Haly’s Circus, and the artist knows what a toddler looks like and they’re depicted as already having a slightly strained relationship. Jack is clearly on the defensive, and Janet seems to be passive-aggressive, though she could just be attempting to explain the situation to her toddler honestly. The intended tone isn’t especially clear.

I do want to point out, in this depiction, Tim isn’t being carried like he was in the previous one. He’s walking ahead of his parents, which isn’t a terrible horrible crime, but could be dangerous in a crowded place like the circus. Might be a subtle hint to his parents overall neglect.

Back to A Lonely Place of Dying, in Tim’s memories of the night he discovered Robin and Dick Grayson were the same person at nine-years-old, his parents are home, and watching TV together while Tim played... trucks, idk, in the living room with them. (This is semi-interesting, because you could say “oh, Tim liked vehicle toys as a kid” or you could extrapolate that this is another subtle indication of Jack’s sexism, providing Tim with appropriately “boy toys.” Either interpretation is valid. If Tim was assigned female at birth, would they have been given “girl toys,” or allowed to play with whatever they wanted?)

This is, to my knowledge, the only panel of the Drakes when Tim is between ages 3 and 13. They’re all together, which might indicate that the Drakes were home more often when Tim was 9, only later going on business trips when Tim was “old enough” but...

This is Tim’s boarding school when he’s 13. While most boarding schools in the US are for grades 9-12, Tim is clearly not a freshman at age 13; look how much younger the other kids in this panel are. In the US, the youngest you can attend most boarding schools is 7.

That means Tim could have begun going to boarding school anytime between 7 and 13. He most likely spent all of middle school in boarding school, at least. There are an almost infinite number of possible ways the Drakes handled having a business that required lots of international travel, an archeology hobby, AND a very young child. Janet staying home until Tim was 7, 11, 13, is equally possible as the Drakes having a nanny until 7, 11, 13. Tim just doesn’t talk about that period of his life very much.

(”What about Mrs. Mac?” - it is unclear when Mrs. Mac begins working for the Drakes. We only see her when Jack comes out of his coma. She could either be a long standing staff member, or a recent hire.)

Note: I’ve seen it said that it’s canon that “According to Tim, when his parents were home, they made a point to try and include him in their activities, bringing him along to events that were normally adults only.” I have never seen this panel, or I don’t remember it, so I cannot confirm, but I also cannot debunk this because... comics.

By the time Tim is 13, Jack and Janet are away on business trips a lot, with limited communication, and no firm return date. If I’m feeling generous, I’d say it was harder to communicate internationally in 1990 than it is today. If I’m not feeling generous, I’d say the Drakes are extremely wealthy, and international communication was easier than ever before in the 80s and 90s. They’re not even going home to see Tim in a week or two, they’re going home and calling Tim at boarding school in a week or two.

Even Bruce thinks its weird, though he doesn’t say so to Tim’s face. It’s written almost as if Tim’s parents’ neglect was meant to be a plot point that just got forgotten about.

Tim’s parents are fighting at this point (their poor assistant), but Janet still goes with Jack on these business trips. And she’s clearly involved in the business, somehow, but the comics never SAY what Janet’s JOB is. We’re told Jack is the exec, but Janet is ONLY ever referred to as Jack’s wife, though they’re later described as the “heads” of the company, plural.

Just to be clear, this is Jack’s business. There’s a perception that Jack is a bad business man because he and Janet fight over company decisions, and Jack looses the business after Janet dies, but Jack looses the company YEARS after Janet dies, and maintains it for about a year after No Man’s Land at that. We’re not told how Jack looses the business, but he’s got to be doing something right. Janet isn’t necessarily the “real brains” of Drake Industries.

And I’m not... gonna... touch the... exploitation and racism because... I’m not qualified to do that. But, here’s the panel. The Drakes sure seem exploitative and racist in their business decisions. Someone else can... analyze that with more nuance.

Regardless how how long they’ve been fighting, when their lives are in danger, the Drakes fall back into a loving husband and wife. Their marriage may be falling apart, but they do care about each other.

I want to show these panels because it shows that Tim and Jack do have things in common. They’re both level headed in a crisis and can be somewhat cold in their practicality. Janet meanwhile and silent. Jack is later willing rant and rave at their captors, but Janet remains silent.

That is, until they’re alone, and she finally lets herself fall apart.

God, Jack can be obnoxious. Janet just looks miserable and resigned. I actually think Tim takes after his parents in this respect in equal measure. Tim can have a temper, but he can also be fairly melancholy and defeatist.

Jack keeps reminding Janet to be strong and in control, which could be period typical sexism? But Jack seems so practiced and ready with the words of encouragement, and with Tim’s history with depression, I wonder if Janet has an inclination towards it as well.

As the end approaches, when Jack brings up Tim, Janet seems to have a lot of regret. She talks about “wasting” the good things, and I don’t think it’s too big of a stretch to assume she’s talking about time spent with her only child.

From this point on, Janet is at times spoken of, but not seen. Like here, when Jack says Janet wouldn’t approve of him and Tim being so “far apart.” He says this after he tells him he takes back his threat to send him back to boarding school, which might imply Janet was against the idea of boarding school? Though she obviously lost that argument when she was alive.

Jack will of course renege on this later, but that’s Jack Drake for you.

Or here in Tim’s illness induced dream, where he gets everything he wants. Though, since this is a fantasy of Tim’s, where his father and girlfriend are both more accepting and understanding than they are in real life, I would take this depiction of Janet with a grain of salt.

After loosing Drake Industries, Jack thinks about Janet (though, they call her Catherine/Cathy for some fucking reason) during his depressive episode. And... uh...

Hallucinates a Valkyrie???? Is this symbolic of suicidal thoughts, or is she... real? Or is he seriously hallucinating?

Anyway, we’re not here to discuss Jack’s mental state, the fact that he forgot Tim’s birthday, or that concerning “I was going to knock some sense into you but you’re still bigger than me” statement from Tim, we’re here to talk about Janet. And even though this entire arc is about Jack mourning his first wife, they don’t SAY anything about Janet herself at all. I mean, they don’t even get her name right, so I guess what was I expecting.

Then there’s Origins and Omens, which also doesn’t say anything about Janet, except that Tim’s memory of her is faulty - Janet was poisoned, her assistant Jeremy’s throat was slit on television, but Tim seems to have conflated the death he did see with the death he didn’t.

The only piece of canon to suggest that Janet might be cold, is Tim compares her to Thalia. And even then, he’s really just saying Janet was protective of him. It’s kind of a scary look to make at your kid, but Bruce does the same thing, so.

I do want to say... it’s not 100% clear if Tim is even talking about Janet. He could be talking about Dana. Dana was observably protective of Tim, though I don’t think he’s ever called her mom. He PROBABLY means Janet.

And finally we have Tim visiting his mother’s grave (in a duel Christian/Jewish cemetery, make of that what you will), where Tim says she was “a little religious.”

And that’s it! That is all we know about Janet Drake in New Earth. Hardly the Mom From Hell, but she isn’t perfect. I’d be interested in seeing some alternate depictions of her within the fandom.

I’m still gonna eat up Terrible Parents From Hell like a starving puppy dog, though. Just some food for creative thought.

#Tim Drake #janet drake #jack drake #robin #Red Robin #character analysis

1K notes · View notes

disasterbatfamily · 3 years

Text

Mystery of the Batgirl: The Cookie Caper

Good evening. We interrupt your regularly scheduled toxic Batfamily content in order to bring you wholesome Batfamily.

Recently, a new webcomic titled Wayne Family Adventures has taken the Batfamily fandom by storm. WFA is a lighthearted spin-off series chronicling the domestic shenanigans of the Wayne household in the vein of a family sitcom. Like Tiny Titans, WFA borrows loosely from the canon source with regard to characterization and other established details. Additionally, WFA generously incorporates some popular fan interpretations of canon (fanon), such as Tim Drake's addiction to coffee and Jason Todd's love of Wonder Woman-themed apparel.

All this is to say that Wayne Family Adventures is no definitive source of canon lore, nor does it intend to be, nor do I presume it to be.

However, I cannot help but take notice of one particularly egregious discrepancy with core canon:

Cassandra Cain, known as Batgirl and by DC as Orphan, has not won the cookie fight, despite her particular skill set lending itself perfectly to this mission.

To my knowledge, Cassandra Cain should, by all means, be capable of launching herself at top human speed, twisting midair to snap up the cookie with her powerful jaws, and consuming the treat in one terrible mouthful—all before the rest of her family members can react. Neither Damian nor Jason possess the reflexes required to intercept the cookie before their big sister.

Thusly, I find myself ruminating upon possible in-universe explanations as to why she has not claimed the cookie. I have already discussed the matter at length with my fellows, and I am happy to share my musings with the world-wide web.

Theory #1: Cass is legitimately struggling to win the cookie fight.

Um, no.

We can safely discard this theory. The cookie fight appears to take place within the exact circumstances that favor Cass' skill set. Cass has well-earned confidence in her physical abilities and immediate spatial awareness. She possesses perfect control over her own movements and can perfectly anticipate the movements of her opponents.

Theory #2: Cass isn't going all out because she is afraid of someone getting hurt while roughhousing.

Another theory with a weak basis. Her aforementioned skills, particularly in this low-stakes dispute and this familiar environment, would ensure zero casualties.

Theory #3: Cass is feeling generous, and intends for the cookie to go to a certain target, whom—for reasons unknown—she feels to be particularly deserving of Alfred's baking.

Wrestling the other kids is part of a calculated ploy to manipulate the cookie to her intended recipient.

However, we are still missing critical details: whom and why.

...Finally, the most compelling of my theories—

Theory #4: Cassie is a good big sister.

She intentionally makes a show of fighting for the cookie as this is the natural affectionate behavior found in Chiroptera fursonae (common name: Batkids).

Also, she has already inhaled a frankly inhuman amount of pastries in short order, thoroughly sating her appetite for sweets.

Thank you for your time.

#We interrupt your regularly scheduled toxic Batfamily content to bring you wholesome Batfam.#perfect perfect Cassandra #nontoxic Batfamily #Cassandra Cain #Batgirl #Black Bat #Wayne Family Adventures #Batfam #wholesome Batfamily #This blog now returns to exclusively gawking at toxic Batfamily drama.

137 notes · View notes