one thing that's starting to piss me off with fancontent is the wealth status of characters, especially some who have been through the fanon lens more than others. chances are, unless it's specified, that said characters will be at least scrapping by, if not outright struggling. worse is, a character who has a specific snapshot of their life taken and used as the bottom line when it's just one moment taken and stretched out. ollie is not rich, not anymore and not for a long time he uses the robin hood schtick for a reason. hal despite being middle class as a kid would have a far more interesting outlook on life because he spends a good half of the 60s run without a home and struggling to find scraps of money and running from jobs to jobs with no friends left to open their doors to him. even those who do well, they're not rich, kyle still has to work and he's making just enough for a flat and a correct living situation, same for john who still has to work to maintain his architect career and make something out of it. or dick, he has jobs and knows how to maintain his money but he's not leeching off of bruce and he still has rough periods where he struggles
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What if when Sophie came to the lost cities the black swan had been overthrown, and their leaders arrested. So by the time she arrived, she doesn’t have that same support. I think it’d take the story in a crazy, but fun new direction.
oh that would be very interesting--not only would she have significantly less guidance at the start of the series, but depending on how the Black Swan were handled, the attitude towards Sophie could be quite different; she'd be the product of known convicted criminals, not just the odd human girl.
She was observed when she first arrived, but I imagine that would've been much more intense in this situation. I wonder when she would've arrived, actually. Because Alden didn't find Sophie by his own work, Mr. Forkle led him to her. So without him, when on earth would Sophie have been brought to their world? Would they have discovered that sort of information through a mind break and located her around the same time, or would years pass?
I'm imagining the Mr. Forkle who posed as her neighbor might've escaped being arrest, which would create an interesting dynamic with her having one singular influence and resource.
But that aside, without the rest of the Black Swan able to work masterfully behind the scenes, there'd be no notes, no clues to prompt hidden memories. It would require a lot more work on Sophie's part to figure things out--which, depending on when she was brought to the lost cities and how (agreeing it was the best decision vs council forcing her, for example), she may or may not be capable of.
I'm also curious how that would impact her morals and sense of right; we see her learning from and guided by the Black Swan for most of the series before she branches out, following their methodology and beliefs on the limits. If they were never there, what's stopping her from going a step further much sooner? Especially if she's being more heavily monitored/judged and in order to make any impact she has to push harder--side note: I feel like in that case she might become similar to Tam in her disdain, she didn't do anything but exist and need help and this is what they did?
Would she be allowed to attend Foxfire with a significant association with a serious criminal organization? Even if she hasn't done anything yet, she might. And if she doesn't go to Foxfire (or is too old when brought), her friend group would be entirely different. She might not even have a friend group and it would instead be her against the world, perhaps a few misfits gathered along the way. Fitz might still be around because he found her, but Biana might stay bratty. She wouldn't meet Marella or Jensi, and she wouldn't have been adopted by the Ruewens (because confirmed huge Black Swan association when he thinks they killed Jolie? no way) so no meeting Dex. If she doesn't go to Foxfire, I could see them sending her to Exillium, in which case she might keep Tam and Linh as friends--but with a very different dynamic, since I think Sophie would be incredibly bitter.
Actually now that I'm thinking about this maybe she'd be picked up by the Neverseen. At least temporarily and in the same way that Rayni was--not that she's for their atrocities, but because they extended a hand when no one else did. Which!! Could then be an interesting exploration on how she wasn't a criminal, but via seeing her as one/as dangerous they limited her options and made her into one. She wouldn't have joined the Neverseen if they'd treated her properly, but they didn't, so now she did. Except they don't see it as their fault, as a consequence of their boxing her in, but instead as confirmation of what they always feared.
indeed, Nonsie, there is a lot of potential for a very different but fascinating story here. I've barely scratched the surface of all the implications and everything you could do with it!
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Is it an unpopular opinion to think that Joyce isn't responsible for the parentification of Jonathan? By this I don't mean that actual parents don't do this accidentally or on purpose to their eldest children. I mean that I don't think Joyce specifically did this to Jonathan.
I feel like all the evidence we have is more Jonathan doing this to himself. He holds himself responsible for Will in ways that Joyce didn't ask him to. We don't know if Jonathan was told to get a job or if he voulenteered. He was only 15 in season 1, and unless the laws were different back then, 15 is too young for a paying part time job.
I know that Joyce is responsible in a She's Also Jonathan's Parent And Should Notice This Type Of Thing kind of way, but do you guys see what I'm saying? I feel like all we've seen Joyce ask of him is to drive Will places and make sure he's home when he needs to be. We've only ever seen Jonathan voulenteer for the rest of it.
He wants to take care of Will. He loves his brother to pieces and that's so beautiful and yes we can see the ways that his sense of responsibility is maybe going to hold him back in his life (the college situation) but that isn't Joyce's fault. She wants him to have his own life, she wants him to go to college and she wants to take care of both of her sons because she's their mom.
Not to say that my view of Joyce is that she doesn't love that Jonathan is the type of brother who willingly does this for their family, I think she loves both her sons for how selfless they are. It's just that Will's selflessness doesn't get in the way of his life (except for Mike) and Will happens to be the younger brother and it's harder for him to take care of his family the way Jonathan's been able to. I think if Joyce knew that Jonathan was planning on giving up on his dreams for their family she'd lovingly tell him to chase the dream. And so would Will.
But I also realize that a lot of people here are analysing this based on their own sibling and parental relationships and so we all see this differently.
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okay i love that you made a haurchefant lives au where he survives the unsurvivable unhealable attack. genuinely i love to see it, i love him and miss him and think the "if he lived it would ruin the timeline" thing is stupid as hell. (like, narratively i had made peace with his death, that part is as okay as it can be to me, but then they come up with this cop out "no fun allowed, he Has to die" bullshit come ON thats stupid AND defeats the true tragedy of his death shut UP.)
anyways, thats beside the point, my real question is why is he never disabled though (an obvious question with an obvious answer, but so many people do not even bother asking lmao). like. in these aus i see him either miraculously fully healed or with a bitchin scar. and that scar is oftentimes huge and RIGHT over his spine??? hello. why is he never disabled. why does that seem like a fate as bad as or worse than death to so many of you.
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